UFO files: Topic has gone from fringe to mainstream, author says | Katie Pavlich Tonight

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Full auto-transcript: Promises made, promises kept. The Trump administration said it would release more UFO files, and today it did. We got more than 50 videos, 50 more videos, and dozens of files that were classified until now. The release includes statements from a high-level intelligence officer who says he and his crew were speechless after witnessing floating orbs like the one you're seeing on your screen right now. And then there's this, a mysterious object shot down by a US fighter pilot over Lake Huron in Michigan. And then there's this spherical object seen going in and out of the water near a submarine. We're certainly getting to see the footage and documents that the public have longed to see, but some skeptics think the so-called deep state is still hanging on to the goods. Joining me now to react is the author of a fascinating new book called Evidence of the Extraordinary, Miguel Sancho. Great to see you, Miguel. Thanks for being here. So, your thoughts on the new release? I'm excited when a new journalist is when there's a huge trove of documents to go through. I mean, it's just candy, right? Yeah. Um and I do think there is some actual, you know, interesting evidence that is uh great cause for further investigative endeavor. Uh as you mentioned, I think that account from the senior intelligence official from very recently, 2025, uh describing these orbs that um formed a T formation that outran a helicopter. Uh the narrative is very compelling, and that comes on the heels of obviously, um several mysterious drone incursions and other um threats, I would say, to national security that we've seen at some of our more sensitive airbases, including Langley Air Force and most recently Blankenship. So, it's again a nice thing to have to kind of help legitimize this form of inquiry. And it just I, again, think that the Trump administration deserves some credit for really kind of helping move, however incrementally, the government's attitude towards this. I mean, I think there's always room to criticize that it's not enough, that, you know, we didn't get the pony for Christmas. I get it. Um and and I'm I'm open to that criticism, by the way. I'm hospitable to the to the criticism. It should be heard. But when you compare where we are now to where the government has been for decades, you know, actively encouraging Air Force investigators to dismiss these claims, um shaming and threatening the careers of pilots who've wanted to come forward with this, and effectively kind of uh creating something of a dark age, as uh it's sometimes referred to in the UFO community, that spanned decades in the '80s and '90s, when UFOlogy, if you want to call it that, was consigned to nothing but fringe science. We're We've come a long way there. So, you mentioned the national security implications of this. Uh clearly that is a huge question. But when I watch these objects flying around military aircraft, one of them was shot down, but next to a submarine, it seems to me the government doesn't seem as concerned as maybe they should be. Maybe they're not letting that on. Uh there's no real explanation about what these things are. Uh what do you think that maybe some of them are specifically, the ones that you've seen so far? I So, I always enter these conversations with the proviso that many things can be true at the same time. Some of these can be completely prosaic things like birds or balloons. Some of them can be completely unexplainable and potentially alien craft, okay? Let's not dismiss that. And alien doesn't mean foreign, right? Doesn't necessarily mean extraterrestrial. >> be It could mean extraterrestrial. I don't want to foreclose on that possibility. Yeah, I don't mean either. [laughter] Yeah, but I but I do believe that we need to take very seriously the possibility that some of these UAPs, as they're called, are assets of rival militaries that are tickling our air defense systems is see what their capabilities are, or conducting reconnaissance, or doing a trial run for a possible attack. Uh again, let's just kind of use our common sense here. We know, we read about it, and see about it every day in NewsNation, that drone warfare is the new paradigm, the new kind of modus operandi for asymmetrical warfare, be it in Ukraine, be it in Iran. It's, you know, Cuba's talking about getting into the game, maybe they have already. And the US is in the process of trying to catch up with uh the cheap powerful explosive drones and loitering munitions. So, the fact that we're seeing these UAPs that might be something like that, specifically around our military assets, uh it all kind of makes sense that some of these could indeed be Iranian or Russian or Syrian uh assets of some kind or another, or Chinese. Let's not Let's not forget about the Chinese. Yeah, let's not forget about the Chinese. They certainly are at least trying to engage in this kind of um effort. Um one of the the pieces of footage getting a lot of attention is a UAP in Syria. He mentioned US forces, of course, being surrounded by the stuff. Um and it's getting a lot of attention cuz it's moving so fast. I mean, the acceleration on this thing, it's sitting, and then all of a sudden it goes faster than you've seen anything before ever move. What do you make of that part of it? So, what you're seeing there are what the uh UFO community experts uh talk about as one of the five observables. And they include things like uh instantaneous acceleration way beyond anything that our known craft can do. Um unexplainable maneuvers, anti-gravity technology, the lack of any visible propulsion system, and what they call transmedium movement, meaning passing from air into water, things of that nature. Uh and the kind of granddaddy of them all, the Nimitz Tic Tac, exhibited many of those uh properties. We're seeing some of that here, but are we really? This is one of those cases where you have to kind of understand what it is you're looking at a little bit. And remember, this video, right, was uploaded by a user and has been digitally enhanced. We don't know the chain of custody. I'm not saying it has been kind of manipulated for the purposes of fabrication. And it definitely merits more study, but I will say this, I did note that on the website itself, the DOW website, when it's kind of ticking off on the timeline, it says that at the moment when you see it go off, it says, "The sensor stops tracking the area of contrast, causing it to rapidly exit the right side of the frame." So, it seems that the DOW is kind of telling you a little bit that it might be an effect of the camera rather than the object moving that way. Well, I mean, I like looking at this stuff. It's very difficult, as you said, to determine what they are. A lot of these things look the same. It looks like a flying baked potato baked potato other times. So, I'm hoping I'm hoping I'm hoping that we can get some better cameras so we can actually see some more detail of these things and get some more specifics. I think with all the money we spend on defense, we probably could do that. Miguel Sanchez, thanks for joining us. Great to see you. Always good to see you, Katie. Thanks so much for having me. Thank you. And check out his book, Evidence of the Extraordinary. See you soon. Thank you for watching. Subscribe below and download our NewsNation app right now on your phone and you will get fact-based, unbiased news for all Americans.